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06 May 2010 07:29 AM  

Hi All,

 

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One of the next steps in my Path, development, and sobriety is the DESTRUCTION of my Ego.  My Ego is the source of most of my unhappiness at work as well as the biggest blockage of my spiritual development.  I would like to ask you for your advice.  What methods do you find effective in the reduction and/or destruction of your Ego?

 

I would also welcome your recommendations of books, sites, etc on this subject, my learned friends.  Anything you can offer on the subject will be greatly appreciated.

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07 May 2010 04:53 AM  
Forgiveness, and selfless acts always undermine the strength of the ego. As well as remembering this satement from my deep trance meditation leader...

"That little ego on your shoulder, It wants you DEAD! But it will settle for misrable..."

We also need to be careful to see the differences between 'Ego flare-ups' and 'assertions of true-self'. The difference is simple, the eho will always urge you to say or do things that udermine your strength and current position, while the true-self will always make you feel strong and confident.
Sing of Hephaestus famed for inventions. With bright-eyed Athene he taught men glorious crafts throughout the world, Men who before used to dwell caves in the mountains like wild beasts. But now that they have learned crafts through Hephaestus the famed worker, Easily they live a peaceful life in their own houses the whole year round. Be gracious Hephaestus, and grant me success and prosperity!
Homeric Hymn 20 to Hephaestus (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C7th to 4th B.C.)
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07 May 2010 05:17 PM  
I agree with DN concerning the difference of the true self and the little ego.

I think that compassion and to try to understand the other one's position is helpful.

But destroying the ego...hmm, this sounds hard to me. You destroy something but what do you build instead of it ? Maybe expanding our own consciousness to all the other beings is a way of destroying the ego, without really destroying. Some exercise I like to do is to sit down in my garden and to feel myself as a part of it, a part of his being, to feel the of the web between the beings of this garden vibrating together and finally merge with this web. As I become conscious of the messages coming from plant spirits directly in my mind, I understand they emerge in my mind because I belong to the garden. The piece is in the whole. And the whole is in the piece. Experiencing this kind of communication helps you to dissolve the boundaries. If you can understand the message of a plant spirit, it means there is no real boundary.
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08 May 2010 03:52 AM  
Thanks to you both. Well said DN, good advice. Faune, I think I get what you're saying. I try to connect with the Green daily. There's nothing that balances me like the Green.
My Ego needs to be cut down, perhaps not entirely destroyed. I understand that I need to come to terms with and form a relationship with my Shadow self, but the parts of me that make me miserable need to be handled and NOW! Remember, guys, I'm still new to this whole thing...
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08 May 2010 04:02 AM  
well I also just suggested this for our "IDAHO" ritual but try meditating to it yourself.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJUu-xiJPx8


frequency 396Hz for liberation from guilt and fear... I find these harmonics very useful you can look up others and group them in a playlist as needed.
Sing of Hephaestus famed for inventions. With bright-eyed Athene he taught men glorious crafts throughout the world, Men who before used to dwell caves in the mountains like wild beasts. But now that they have learned crafts through Hephaestus the famed worker, Easily they live a peaceful life in their own houses the whole year round. Be gracious Hephaestus, and grant me success and prosperity!
Homeric Hymn 20 to Hephaestus (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C7th to 4th B.C.)
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09 May 2010 06:22 PM  

I would advise perhaps making a list of achievable goals to help build up the EGO in a healthy manner. Rather than destroying the excessive traits if one feeds the healthy aspects of one's EGO then the unhealthy ones will be starved out. Sometimes "negative" emotions or patterns of behaviour belie a core principle in a person's life.

 

I'd also suggest maybe revisiting through past experiences the moments that struck you as "bad EGO" moments and try placing them into the greater perspective of what is your Life.

 

The EGO is a vital part of magic and while it has it's flaws is an intrical part of our awareness. Nice sound btw DN! 

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10 May 2010 05:17 AM  
Perhaps I need to redefine this idea.
I understand what the Ego is in Freudian terms, and i know that it's not only neccessary but unavoidable. What I am talking about is that UNhealthy sense of self that creates resentments, nourishes fear and lack-of-confidence, that IS selfishness personified, the part that must ALWAYS be right, must ALWAYS be recognized, must have attention - even negative. These are the building blocks of my addictions, the source of my seeking unsuitable partners, the source of my repeated self-sabotage and self-destructive behaviors.
Abhainn, I agree it needs to be starved and the good sense of self fed with positive affirmations and achievements.
DN, thanks for the linky. If you have Napster, check out this album of tones...umn, can't link you...but it has Earth sounds as well as Alpha, Beta, Theta brain sounds...as soon as I figure out what I did to make my Napster not work, I'll link you.
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10 May 2010 05:02 PM  

Forgive me Bugs but it sounds to me that you seem to have identified two distinct EGOs rather than the one with a side facing the light and another facing the shadow. My understanding from a complete layman's perspective is that the EGO houses the larger side of the persona or personality and if it is (and it does with us all!) leads us on to less healthy pursuits in life (usually associated with wants of a self-destructive nature) then perhaps reaffirming its relationship to the rest of the psyche is more in line with aims and objectives here?

 

The EGO by its nature isn't and doesn't select where to go in life that is something we must own (I know this is probably surplus to your personal requirements Bugs just trying to expand on my own mindset in these matters...) so if we renew old patterns of behaviour then yes magic can help us adjust our lives to live more healthily but my own belief is that ignorance of the bad does not equate with selecting good. So while it may be more of a struggle for yourself but perhaps not destroying the EGO but learning the rationale behind it's continued patterns may provide some understanding of the "Why?" before destroying a valued and needed aspect of yourself?

 

Also looking at more magical reasons why work so hard to reclaim control of your life as many of us do through Responsibility and then choose to destroy the tool enabling us to do this? Its like Soul Reclaiming exercises and then banishing part of your soul because it doesn't work with the "new" you?!

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11 May 2010 12:08 AM  
Amigo, Abhainn, I appreciate your words and your concerns. As I meditate and study on the subject, I am aware that I don't want to, indeed, cannot destroy such an integral part of myself as the Ego. What needs to happen is to integrate my selves in a manner that is beneficial to me.
Without personal responsibility, there can be no sobriety for me, and no growth. Personal responsibility is one of the main factors that drew me to Witchcraft as a spirituality.
The way for me to learn the rationale and the "why" of repeated self-destructive behavior is to continue working the 12 Steps, continue trying to do the Next Right Thing, try to live in honesty and compassion, and to try hard to live a life of service to others. Yeah, I know, quite a different way of life than previously.
You have great insight my friend!
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11 May 2010 01:08 AM  

Hmm have you placed this idea to members of Pagans in Recovery (PIR)? I'm going to have a look through a book on magical pathworking for a suitable meditation... 

 

 

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12 May 2010 07:44 AM  
No, I haven't. Tell me more, please!
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16 May 2010 05:05 AM  

BIG NEWS...BIG NEWS...BIG NEWS...BIG NEWS...

FINALLY a big breakthrough!  Today I was able for the first time to do shamanic journeying!  Before it was limited to visualization, meditation, etc which was SO hard for me for so long...but today I was able to actually journey up AND down the World Tree.  I saw sights and met things that were in NO way figments of my visualization.  I'd rather not go into detail, for several reasons...mostly that when I get this excited I tend to Babylon and on.

 

THANK YOU MY FRIENDS!

And I do consider those of you that post as real friends!  You've help to educate me and guide me in many ways.  I hope you all know I'm here for you too, whether it's my Runes or my students' knowledge of herbs or just someone to listen...I'm here for you guys.

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17 May 2010 02:50 PM  

Aww fantastic news Bugs! Well done. The book I'd spotted the Pathworking exercise in is biteen more comprehensive than originally envisioned so I'm reading through it properly before recommending something specific from it. There's a forum I just stumbled upon for Pagans in Recovery, I'm not sure what it's like but maybe it could be a good resource for posting ideas and such... pagansinrecovery.com/ I just want to reassure I'm not trying to fob you off and hope that it helps to cover the blind spots for those of us on here who can't fully relate to all aspects of your Life (wouldn't it be a dull world if we could?).

 

For myself I tend to work the Tree of Life system (for obvious reasons ) but with the ToL each sephiroth possesses both a Virtue and a Vice (the exception being Netzach I think?!) and the incorporation of both aspects is a crucial aspect. Funny thing about Tree metaphors is that they yield so much in them we can learn to let go of the old leaves in the reassurance the new buds will come around yet damage to the bark is something of a wound which tends to shape the tree's uniqueness.

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17 May 2010 07:33 PM  
You've already got plenty of good advice (and congrats on the journey!), but I figured I would mention the book I am reading right now: Mindfulness in Plain English.

It goes on a bit but the advice about meditation seems quite sound, and most applicable to your request here. I think sitting vipassana could be quite helpful to you in just observing how what's known as the "monkey mind" works. First step to mastery!

http://www.amazon.com/Mindfulness-Plain-English-Updated-Expanded/dp/0861713214/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274117515&sr=8-1
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02 Jun 2010 06:17 AM  
Congrats on the journey, bug!
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03 Jun 2010 03:01 AM  

yay!!! *shakes pom poms*... *looks at pom poms oddly, realizes they are way too girly*... *tosses pom poms in fire*

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03 Jun 2010 06:02 AM  
Hey. George W. Boosh was a cheerleader. And there's nothing girly about him. Stupid? Yes. Evil? Sure. Ignorant? You betcha. But girly? Nuh-uh.
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03 Jun 2010 06:18 AM  
ya know....I don't think I've ever seen manly pom poms!
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05 Jun 2010 11:39 PM  
ok that makes my dislike both pom poms and bush even more... lol
Sing of Hephaestus famed for inventions. With bright-eyed Athene he taught men glorious crafts throughout the world, Men who before used to dwell caves in the mountains like wild beasts. But now that they have learned crafts through Hephaestus the famed worker, Easily they live a peaceful life in their own houses the whole year round. Be gracious Hephaestus, and grant me success and prosperity!
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20 Jun 2010 12:00 AM  
Bug

first off big congratz on the Journey. I have had such limited success for myself, but somehow have led many others through their own journey process. I hope to have the success that you have had some day, and I know that it will happen when I allow it to happen.

which brings me to comments about Ego. When I read the initial post and the comments, what kept coming to me was not so much the Freud Ego, but more of an "attachment" to things being in a certain way. When we attach too much to certain parts of our life is when we get the most unhappy. If I attach to being lonely when i am by myself, I get upset and sad - if I am attached to something at work going in a certain way, or people having the same work ethic that I do, and things going differently then I get angry and frustrated.

"Pealing the Onion" down to the core reason of what causes you to be upset and full of "ego" can often be a way to overcome those powerful negative emotions.

hope any of that makes sense...
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